• WKO2: Revenge of the Bovee / Misplays upon Misplays

    So I got to do a double header this weekend. Millennium Games in Rochester got special permission from WizKids to run Dice Masters on Saturday and Heroclix on Sunday, so my WKO experience is likely a little different than yours might have been. Rochester first, then Morgantown, here we go:



    My team for Rochester:

    Imprisoned

    Transfer Power (TP)

    SR Red Dragon (RD)

    R Blue-eyes White Dragon (BEWD)

    C FUS Beholder

    C Constantine

    C Prismatic Spray

    R WF Scarecrow (the RAREcrow as we have taken to calling him)

    C Elf Thief

    C Human Paladin

    The idea here is to field Beholder over and over to buy whatever you want at a discount. Pick up imprisoned for removal along the way, and get an alpha strike for lethal (donít chip away or youíll free the imprisoned dice!). If your opponent brings BEWD, you can buy Red Dragon for 3. Thatís right 3. In fact, while I was testing this, I bought multiple RD for 3 vs Stuart, who got frustrated because I was able to beat him with this (relative) non-sense. I simply replied, ďLook, if I buy 2 Red Dragons and canít win, Iím doing more than a little bit wrong.Ē

    I got a bye in the first round of our 13-player event, but when I sat down for round 2, I was thrilled. I got to play StormyKnight again. My game against him in February was epic, so I was excited for a rematch. He brought a poly control team with JG, and I knew Iíd have to be fast. Fast I was! Using the RD global, I bought TP and used his Professor X Global (PXG) for lots of dice turn 2. I used the RD global again turn 2 to buy an Imprisoned and again use his PXG to ramp hard. Turn 3 I had a SK and a lot of energy, so I bought a Beholder, used TP but missed, so it went to my bag. I also imprisoned two of his SK. I used PXG a bunch on his turn, and rolled everything on mine. Another SK, a level 2 Beholder, and energies to spare. I fielded Beholder and used both his and my BEWD globals to buy RD for 3. I used TP and RD came up level 3 and fielded for free. Because I had imprisoned 2 SK, Breath Weapon would actually give back blockers. I used the RD global to buy another action die, freeing those SK to die to Breath Weapon 3 when I attacked for lethal. A turn 4 win vs a team I feared. Rolls always play a role, but when we played again, I got beat rather handily. Not as epic as last time, Stormy, but just as fun.

    In my next game I had to face Jinzo. I just needed Imprisoned to come up. Or spray. Or both. It took a couple turns and some burn, but I got it done. Sitting at 3-0, the two of us who were guaranteed a spot in the cut intentionally drew so weíd have some extra time for lunch and get a break. In the top 8, I had the toughest match of my day. I played Sean who was running Loki Gem Keeper, Joker The Clown Prince of Crime, and Constantine Hellblazer. What am I going to do against that? In addition, he had Oracle Master Investigator. Thank goodness for Imprisoned. Itís the only reason I won the first game. Non-targeted mass removal that does not deal damage or require globals in this game isÖwell, itís Imprisoned and I canít think of anything else on the list. Iím fairly sure I bought all 3 in game 1. Game 2 was a slog. He got to Hulk GG and I couldnít ramp. Somehow I managed to buy a RD and get it in the field at level 3, but we hit time. To Seanís credit, he took what happened next extraordinarily well, I thought. The best of 3 match that ends in the middle of Game 2 with no winner for Game 2 is awarded to the person who won game 1. I believe Sean played differently than he would have otherwise because he thought life-totals would award him game 2, and we would move on to a 5 turn Game 3. Class act, Sean. Absolutely the roughest games of the day for me.

    In the top 4, I played Andrew. Andrew was running Bard and Ring and Oracle and holy smokes was this fun. I didnít buy Beholder or RD in either game, because, my answer to Bard is two-fold. I will take all of your other stuff with Imprisoned and I will take your Bard with Rarecrow. Game one, thatís exactly what I did Ė I even bought two Rarecrows to make sure I was protected and had one with which to steal the heavy hitter. Game two, Andrew got sharp to those shenanigans, and pivoted from Bard. He never got to his ring, though. In setting up for moving to it, there was a turn where he rolled a boatload of energy and straight up bought BEWD. When it came up character, it was level 3, so I couldnít use Imprisoned on it. Good thing I stuck to the Rarecrow planÖ When I got Rarecrow out, all Andrew had was BEWD at level 3 and a SK. He missed all characters and Imprisoned (thanks to Antihero) the next turn, and I got my second Rarecrow. I stole both his characters, and used the BEWD ability to give him +3A and had a big strike to put Andrew at maybe 7 or 8 life. A few turns later I pulled the same shenanigans to close out game 2.

    The other top 4 match was a rematch from the WKO round 1 event in February, between the Bovee brothers, Matt and Tim. These guys are in High school (Matt is about to graduate, and Tim is younger, though I donít know how much), and were tearing it up all day. Tim was 3-0 through Swiss when we took the draw. Matt beat him in the top 4 to make the finals in February, and had the same results this time, too. So 2 of the last 3 matches on the day were repeats from February, but the results would be different! Matt sent me a message on Facebook a while back asking about his team. I told him Iíd be coming and while Iíd be happy to answer anything he wanted, he should know that it might be tipping his hand. I just wanted to be up front about it, because this was a month or so ago. I had no clue what I was going to run, and wouldnít be able to reciprocate information sharing.

    Matt and I went back and forth a little bit, but mostly he just rolled me over. Game 1 I was forced to not ramp at all with PXG, rolling not one single mask my first two turns. Tsarina, Jade Giant, Johnny Storm, and Oracle just did so much work against me that it didnít take long for him to win it. Game two, I was able to get most of his dice imprisoned and find lethal. Game 3 was a slug fest. I took a ton of damage and then got the board clear with 2 Imprisoned dice. My third one would just not come up action! Eventually, after getting down to 5 total dice not imprisoned, Matt picked up a couple Tsarinas and a Gobby and finished me off. Congrats Matt! Such a pleasure to play against you again and see that you have no trouble holding your own, even when I should have the advantage by knowing your team in advance. Iím looking forward to Homash v. Bovee III.



    Morgantown. After 9 hours of driving and 7 hours of Dice the day before and with 6 hours of driving scheduled for Sunday, playing a different team seemed like a good idea. Iím still not sure if it was or not, but hereís what I ran:

    Anger Issues (AI)

    Back for Seconds (BFS)

    SR Red Dragon (RD)

    R Blue-eyes White Dragon (BEWD)

    C Prismatic Spray

    UC Giant Spider

    S White Tiger (WT, 3 cost)

    S Wolverine The Best There Is (TBTI)

    UC Doomcaliber Knight (DCK)

    F Professor X Trainer (F is for Foil J)

    I did not really want to run the Bard or Ring either day. I donít have a problem with either, but Iíve had this itch for a while for Beholder and Rarecrow, and this TBTI team has been rolling around a little while Ė check out this article for v1.0. In fact, I took it to a Little Cup event and won, way back in December. Obviously there are some changes, since Iíve got more than grey stripes (and a shiny PXG, did I mention that?). The idea here is to RD global for AI and then use a for PXG turn 1. RD global for BFS and save 3 masks for PXG turn 2. Turn 3, with both actions, buy TBTI, use the WT global if necessary to get Underdog, use BFS to make TBTI active at level 3, give him overcrush and +3A from AI, use the Giant Spider global to force the sidekick you made your opponent field (or whatever else they have in the field) to block, and then attack. When blocked, TBTIís attack doubles, and heís now 22/4 with overcrush.

    Round 1, I faced Murry who brought Spiderman Wall-Crawler, Wolverine Formerly Weapon Ten (FWX, because X is the Roman Numeral for Ten) andÖRelentless. I had to point out that Relentless was banned, but frankly, if it hadnít been, I would have been toast. I missed masks turn 2 and so I bought TBTI instead of BFS. I took a FWX to the face since I had no blockers, and when TBTI came up character, AI did not come up action. I ended up buying 3 TBTI and holding enough blockers to eventually get the overcrush damage through.

    Game 2 was vs Bard Blitz. My bomb went off turn 3. I spent some time teaching Dan some of the ways the Blitz stabilizes ďbadĒ rolls, since he was unfamiliar. And we played again. And again. And again, I think, and we still had about 10 minutes left in the round. All the while, trying to show him how to turn those ďbadĒ rolls into good opportunities. The guy next to us, BJ (who was also playing Bard Blitz), commented ďListen to him (referring to me), heís over here field stripping this team and all I know how to do is load and shoot!Ē Well, in round 3, BJ and I were paired, and after my bomb went off again turn 3, I taught him how to field strip it. We played a handful of games in only 15 minutes. Sitting at 3-0, both Steve and I decided a draw and extra time for lunch suited us, since we were locked in to making the cut anyway. But just because he was running the Bard Blitz as well, we played a game for fun, since we knew it would only take 5 minutes. I said this in the chat we had up on Sunday, but it only took 3. My bomb went off again on the third turn. We chatted a little about how the FUS Ring Global is super useful for just about any team, and then Steve, Dan, BJ and I went to lunch.

    In the top 8, I was paired against Alex. She was playing a cool flying SK team. Game 1 kinda dragged on after I missed my bomb and she got Oracle in the field. Eventually I got a level 2 Wolverine and AI and a SK all together to swing for lethal. Game 2 was an absolute log-jam. Never got TBTI, AI, and enough energy to force block to line up. Alex set up Falcon, Angel, and a row of SK and Alfreds and won Game 2 on turns at time. Enter the not-really-a-Dice-Masters-game Game 3. I went for my bomb while Alex was going for Dark Avenger BAC dice. On my turn 3 (which was turn 4 of the 012345), I got both action faces and 8 energy. Alex had a SK and a . My bomb went off! So I thought to myself and said aloud, "Donít screw this up Horsfall." You see, I was worried about bringing BEWD. I pay to force block, you BEWD that character and my bomb fails. So I used 5 energy to buy TBTI, paid for WT Global to give another SK to my opponent, played BFS to bring in TBTI, played AI to give him overcrush, and spent a and to force both SK to block. When I attacked, Alex blocked, then used the Blink Transmutation global. What an epic fail on my part. Alex only had one more turn anyway, and could not have handled even 11 damage if TBTI went unblocked. I saw something she didnít and got more concerned about it than the obvious thing I should have seen (and I had even used DCK Global to avoid that problem in both Games 1 and 2!!!). I was worried she would BEWD the SK I forced to block if I only forced one. It's something about my team I knew coming in and was worried about, and it clouded my decision when it mattered the most! She was ahead in life 18-17, so that was the game.

    It was pretty frustrating to see myself make that mistake. But thatís not the only mistake I made. Earlier in game 2, I let Alex take back a purchase, and that eventually cost me the game (albeit 7-8 turns later). And I really donít think there was anything wrong with field-stripping Bard Blitz for those guys. But there were some grumblings about it, and to be honest, those grumblings have a point, maybe. While I was just having a conversation with the guy across from me, others who were still playing games were nearby. So my sincere apologies to any who were offended, frustrated, or turned away for me talking about the game in proximity to theirs. Unfortunately, I wasnít as aware as I should have been, and since folks didnít say anything to me at the time (I only learned of the aforementioned grumbling after the event), I had no chance to correct my behavior (pulling those guys to a table far away to discuss would have been the right move) or address it on site. Further, there was conversation that happened elsewhere in the top 8 that did have an impact on the gameís outcome (this happened while I was playing and again, I didnít find out until after the event). As humbling as it is to find out some folks were upset I was teaching potential opponents how to play their team better, itís almost equally frustrating to know that the same type of thing actually impacted outcomes because it happened mid game.

    There were misplays upon misplays in this event. Fortunately, the community is friendly enough that I donít think the scene or players will suffer. Hereís to better manners, fewer mistakes, and lots more Dice Masters:

    Cheers!
    Comments 16 Comments
    1. Axyz's Avatar
      Axyz -
      Interesting read. I really like the TBTI deck. Very creative and very destructive. What do you mean by field stripping the Bard Blitz?
    1. Jthomash2's Avatar
      Jthomash2 -
      Quote Originally Posted by Axyz View Post
      Interesting read. I really like the TBTI deck. Very creative and very destructive. What do you mean by field stripping the Bard Blitz?
      Thanks for the feedback! I was deconstructing what to do with rolls. Ins and outs of playing the team. BJ, the other player, was referring to taking apart a firearm and putting it back together, the common vernacular for which is "field strip."
    1. Jwannabe's Avatar
      Jwannabe -
      Thanks for the awesome read!

      I also played a beholder/imprisoned team at the WKO in Owensboro. Unfortunately, I got caught up in the game and gave my opponent all their dice back at bad times on several occasions. There was also 2 other beholder teams present of different variations .

      I was pleasantly surprised with the diversity there.
    1. memmek2k's Avatar
      memmek2k -
      Quote Originally Posted by Jthomash2 View Post
      Thanks for the feedback! I was deconstructing what to do with rolls. Ins and outs of playing the team. BJ, the other player, was referring to taking apart a firearm and putting it back together, the common vernacular for which is "field strip."
      For what it's worth, all of us playing bard teams or anti-bard tech talked about similar things during and after our matches in Columbia, MO. There was a lot of discussion on my decision to bring Rarecrow on a Bard Blitz variant.

      I think it's one of those things that really depends on how casual the tournament is; there were only 3 or 4 major groups at ours, so a lot of us already knew half the other players and had already talked about deconstructing Bard in preparation for this tournament (and deciding whether or not to play Bard).

      Of course, I might have made someone mad and I just haven't heard about it yet...
    1. kmcgeejr's Avatar
      kmcgeejr -
      Great write-up, as always. Was awesome to see you guys again this weekend - can't wait until next time!
    1. zeon20's Avatar
      zeon20 -
      Congrats on doing really well with some really unique teams JT. I'm glad to see that some of the pros are still sticking it out and trying new stuff. I'm curious though if a situation ever happened where you had red Dragon out on the field and use imprisoned and how they ruled the interaction? I've been playing it as I capture twice, as in I capture the total fielding cost of 4 now instead of two for simplicity sakes. But in situations where Breaker, doom cal, Constantine anti hero, or blink on board, I just say the second capture is a phantom die.
    1. DiceDiceKitty's Avatar
      DiceDiceKitty -
      Oooo! There was a similar Imprisoned/Beholder type team that I played against at my WKO. I played him in Swiss and in Top 8. If not for a misplay in each game, he probably would have beat me! That team is amazing. I think it was Jwannabe that I had the honor of playing against with Imprisoned and Beholder. That team is really good and seems like a lot of fun!

      I like your other team as well - great read!
    1. jacquesblondes's Avatar
      jacquesblondes -
      Great write up! Enjoyed it enormously.
    1. Jthomash2's Avatar
      Jthomash2 -
      Quote Originally Posted by zeon20 View Post
      Congrats on doing really well with some really unique teams JT. I'm glad to see that some of the pros are still sticking it out and trying new stuff. I'm curious though if a situation ever happened where you had red Dragon out on the field and use imprisoned and how they ruled the interaction? I've been playing it as I capture twice, as in I capture the total fielding cost of 4 now instead of two for simplicity sakes. But in situations where Breaker, doom cal, Constantine anti hero, or blink on board, I just say the second capture is a phantom die.
      It did not come up. It would be greatly helpful to have some official guidance on how to address this.

      Appreciate the compliments, all. Trying to stretch my brewing muscles a little and understand more play styles and archetypes. Hoping it'll pay off down the road!
    1. Judgemental's Avatar
      Judgemental -
      Nice write up JT! Cool teams, I love the beholder/ RD team.

      One of our guys took your Wolvie team to locals last night for fun, he got a solid turn 4 22 damage overcrush kill in one game. We played for fun after the event and I didn't let him combo me, I bewded my sidekicks and messed his ramp up, as you feared/mentioned, things went downhill from there. We were wondering what do you do when when you roll a SK character on turn 1? We just sat there looking at the roll telling ourselves: this team can't get a SK on turn 1!!! Just buy spider? I think we opted for Bewd for BfS and try to fix it on 2, but it felt wrong.

      We had so much fun deconstructing it and trying to make it work for him, thanks for sharing!
    1. Jthomash2's Avatar
      Jthomash2 -
      Quite right, sk t1 wrecks it! If that happens, get ai first, because rarely does bfs come in handy later... At least not as much as ai. So if rolls miss, the idea is to get ai and TBTI as fast as possible and then wait until they come up together. In one game, I missed bolts and shields, so I had to buy white Tiger. You just have to make do occasionally... It's lots of fun to play, but does not do well trying to recover from missed rolls.
    1. jacquesblondes's Avatar
      jacquesblondes -
      I've been thinking about how to play your Beholder team. When you field Beholder and you get free globals, does that mean the BEWD global is free of both the energy cost and KO requirement? I think there was a ruling to that effect. If that's the case, how do you cycle the Beholder? I feel I must be missing something here, but I can't figure out what
    1. Jthomash2's Avatar
      Jthomash2 -
      Quote Originally Posted by jacquesblondes View Post
      I've been thinking about how to play your Beholder team. When you field Beholder and you get free globals, does that mean the BEWD global is free of both the energy cost and KO requirement? I think there was a ruling to that effect. If that's the case, how do you cycle the Beholder? I feel I must be missing something here, but I can't figure out what
      It is free (no energy or ko cost) when beholder is fielded, but I can pay a bolt and ko beholder to use it a second time. All other things being equal, I usually do so. However there are times when the beholder body is just so valuable I opt to ko something else.
    1. jacquesblondes's Avatar
      jacquesblondes -
      Quote Originally Posted by Jthomash2 View Post
      It is free (no energy or ko cost) when beholder is fielded, but I can pay a bolt and ko beholder to use it a second time. All other things being equal, I usually do so. However there are times when the beholder body is just so valuable I opt to ko something else.
      Aaand that's what I was missing Gotcha, thank you.
    1. ajcravens's Avatar
      ajcravens -
      This is so interesting because I have been trying to piece together this (TBTI) team for a bit, and I had all the same thoughts about BEWD. It's great for buying cheaper to have extra energy for global shenanigans and keeping underdog triggering...but you literally bringing the answer to defeating the team for your opponent as long as they see it...so I have to ask. Would you bring it again if you were to play this team at another tournament? I have been playing around with it, and with no way to stop my opponent if they keep equal bolts as characters (or more if I haven't used White tiger to snipe an extra one on.) I'm just not sure if Blue Eyes should stay. What do you think?
    1. Jthomash2's Avatar
      Jthomash2 -
      I don't think I bring bewd if I run this again. All the consistency it adds is not worth the risk that might be associated with bringing it.