• The Reserve Pool Podcast: Season 3, Ep. 6 - ИOITATOЯ!


    ROTATION!!! Join hosts Isaac and Stuart as they discuss the BIGGEST NEWS EVER!! Dice Masters is creating a Rotation! We also discuss some spoilers, WKO3 News and Paul joins Stuart to discuss the top rules issues that need to get rulings.

    General News (1:18), WKO3 (5:20), Spoilers (7:05), Rules (11:28), ROTATION! (44:26)

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    1. Herbalnikon's Avatar
      Herbalnikon -
      We sent this to wiz kids

      You say this rotation is to make the game more accessible to new players that can't find or afford some of the older more scarce cards, this can be acomplished by reprinting those cards in newer sets without screwing the the loyal players that have spent massive amounts of money from the beginning, this rotation effectively gives the middle finger to all the old players saying you wasted all that hard earned money you spent. Now we agree a ban list is needed, even a rotating ban list would be successful to keep the game fresh, my intire team ghost protocol among other players and teams will be boycotting this set of regionals because this is extortion.. plain and simple.. forcing older loyal players to continually have to buy new versions of cards they already own.

      Sincerely Ghost protocol
    1. Dave's Avatar
      Dave -
      As a player since the beginning I couldn't disagree more and I welcome it. You can't keep a game competitively viable without doing this kind of thing. If you don't believe me just look at the number of people who despise Magic's Eternal format called "Modern". You just invite power creep if everything is legal all the time. Even a ban list doesn't do it - just look at YuGiOh. Cards like UC Fatality will *never* be used so long as Gobby exists. It re-opens design space and allows for more variety not less. I understand you might not like it but there's nothing indicating that Golden Age won't be supported and no matter what they did, some people will get angry.
    1. Jthomash2's Avatar
      Jthomash2 -
      I was so against rotation at the cost of losing all the old stuff it's not even funny. I hated the idea. Wk solution is great because it preserves those cards in an official format! Not entirely sure how they'll use it, but this is a significant step forward in my mind. I'm all for it.
    1. Flexei's Avatar
      Flexei -
      Quote Originally Posted by Herbalnikon View Post
      We sent this to wiz kids...
      I know what you're saying and where you're coming from. I've been playing since UXM came out and we're all losing cards we love in Modern format, but this is bigger than me and you and what we want or like. This is for the overall good of the game. It makes the game more welcoming to new players (which I know our store very much needs), and makes the meta much less oppressive.

      I think it's worth noting there are two formats, Golden Age and Modern Age. Nothing is stopping us from continuing to play Golden age and our stores can have their own ban lists for Golden Age games. We're certainly enjoying the matchup between Mike and JT using the Worlds '15 sets. WK may very well still hold Golden Age events or side events. It's too early to make any conclusions there.

      I also want to consider the game designers here: every game has a form of rotation, whether it's an extensive ban list or just marking older sets no longer legal for official events. It's a necessity for balance due to the vast number of interactions in the cards. No designer, no matter how talented, can think of every interaction before printing a set. Rotation makes Mike and Eric's jobs easier so that they can focus on providing interesting interactions and cards. That's one of the many reasons why Magic: The Gathering, for example, has Standard, Modern, and Legacy.
    1. archivist's Avatar
      archivist -
      One way to describe the Dwarf Wizard/Storm ruling contradiction discussed by Paul and Stuart is imagine you are in a building and it is raining outside.

      One scenario (1) is you leave the building and get wet, then you open an umbrella to avoid getting any wetter.

      Another scenario (2) is you open the umbrella in the building then go outside, avoiding getting wet at all.

      The analogies are:
      the building = Reserve Pool
      outside = The Field Zone
      stepping outside = being fielded
      the rain = a "while active" effect
      the umbrella = a "when fielded" effect

      The Storm - Wind Rider ruling from 1Dec2014 follows Scenario 1: even though you prevent getting any wetter, you are still wet => even though Storm's "when fielded" ability KO's the die with a "while active" ability, that die's ability will still KO Storm.

      The Dwarf Wizard - Paragon Zhentarim ruling updated on 10Jun2016 follows Scenario 2: when you leave the building, you employ a way to prevent getting wet => when DW is fielded, his ability avoids (blanks the text) any "while active" ability that may KO him.
    1. Jthomash2's Avatar
      Jthomash2 -
      Quote Originally Posted by archivist View Post
      One way to describe the Dwarf Wizard/Storm contradiction discussed by Paul and Stuart is imagine you are in a building and it is raining outside.

      One scenario (1) is you leave the building and get wet, then you open an umbrella to avoid getting any wetter.

      Another scenario (2) is you open the umbrella in the building then go outside, avoiding getting wet at all.

      The analogies are:
      the building = Reserve Pool
      outside = The Field Zone
      stepping outside = being fielded
      the rain = a "while active" effect
      the umbrella = a "when fielded" effect

      The Storm - Wind Rider ruling from 1Dec2014 follows Scenario 1: even though you prevent getting any wetter, you are still wet => even though Storm's "when fielded" ability KO's the die with a "while active" ability, that die's ability will still KO Storm.

      The Dwarf Wizard - Paragon Zhentarim ruling updated on 10Jun2016 follows Scenario 2: when you leave the building, you employ a way to prevent getting wet => when DW is fielded, his ability avoids (blanks the text) any "while active" ability that made KO him.
      This is great, except to me, a when fielded ability is opening the umbrella. I still don't understand the game mechanics that make these simultaneously true.
    1. Basementcuts's Avatar
      Basementcuts -
      Quote Originally Posted by Jthomash2 View Post
      This is great, except to me, a when fielded ability is opening the umbrella. I still don't understand the game mechanics that make these simultaneously true.
      The game mechanic that makes these simultaneously true is.... I don't know. It doesn't make sense.
    1. Jthomash2's Avatar
      Jthomash2 -
      Quote Originally Posted by Basementcuts View Post
      The game mechanic that makes these simultaneously true is.... I don't know. It doesn't make sense.
      I know, right?!
    1. Shadowmeld's Avatar
      Shadowmeld -
      Quote Originally Posted by Jthomash2 View Post
      I know, right?!
      The only real way to jive them is, the when fielded trigger and the static board state are both put into the nebulous "simultaneous" area, and both are scheduled to resolve, except, when you blank something, the text isnt there when you go to resolve the inactive players portion.

      The Storm venom nebulous "simultaneous" area triggers both the -2 and the reroll, but even after the reroll, card still has text to apply the already triggered effect.

      It's a really awkward concept, but it jives with many of the rules in the game, such as When damaged triggering after KO, combat damage KOing before VS damage, etc. But it is definitely not easy to explain, or even apply as a rule in most situations. Also, Constantine makes this idea even more difficult, because it doesn't even allow the nebulous "simultaneous" area to resolve things active player first, it instead has you apply an active blanking before resolving an active when fielded. But again, they are simultaneous, so you trigger them both, and blanking simply trumps everything else.
    1. Jthomash2's Avatar
      Jthomash2 -
      Quote Originally Posted by Shadowmeld View Post
      The only real way to jive them is, the when fielded trigger and the static board state are both put into the nebulous "simultaneous" area, and both are scheduled to resolve, except, when you blank something, the text isnt there when you go to resolve the inactive players portion.

      The Storm venom nebulous "simultaneous" area triggers both the -2 and the reroll, but even after the reroll, card still has text to apply the already triggered effect.

      It's a really awkward concept, but it jives with many of the rules in the game, such as When damaged triggering after KO, combat damage KOing before VS damage, etc. But it is definitely not easy to explain, or even apply as a rule in most situations. Also, Constantine makes this idea even more difficult, because it doesn't even allow the nebulous "simultaneous" area to resolve things active player first, it instead has you apply an active blanking before resolving an active when fielded. But again, they are simultaneous, so you trigger them both, and blanking simply trumps everything else.
      And this is on what page of the Iron Man War Machine rulebook?

      I'm just saying there's no explanation of blanking being a priority effect. And when fielded effects definitely occur after the character is in the field, so there is a moment when level 1 Dwiz has 0D. But it's not knocked out. And try as you might, I'm probably not going to be satisfied with whatever you come up with. Short of it being explained officially, it's ambiguous (or maybe just unspoken) enough for me to consider it inconsistent.
    1. Son of 'L's's Avatar
      Son of 'L's -
      I'm kind of late to the party, but since you asked about other rules questions and contradictions:

      http://www.thereservepool.com/thread...-To-Know-About