• D&D Set II - Faerun Under Siege

    (Editor's Note - Thanks to Isaac for pointing this out on the forums!)

    ICV2 has the news!

    http://icv2.com/articles/news/view/3...un-under-siege

    "Faerun Under Siege, the second in WizKidsí new series of Dice Master games based on the iconic Dungeons & Dragons Forgotten Realms world, will release in February.

    "The Faerun Under Siege Starter will include enough game materials for two players: 44 custom dice, 38 game cards, a pair of dice bags, and complete game rules. MSRP is $24.99."
    This article was originally published in forum thread: D&D set 2 started by IsaacBV View original post
    Comments 22 Comments
    1. pk2317's Avatar
      pk2317 -
      Upping the price of the Starter again?

      Grr.....
    1. IgwanaRob's Avatar
      IgwanaRob -
      Take my money.
    1. Indy Mon's Avatar
      Indy Mon -
      D&D was five dollars above base price last time too (allegedly due to increased licensing costs with Wizards). This just continues the trend now that all other starters are at $19.99.
    1. pk2317's Avatar
      pk2317 -
      I know, but after D&D they all went up to $19.99. I don't want to see that happen again.
    1. Razorback's Avatar
      Razorback -
      I think at $24.99 you are going to see some drop off in sales (at least of the starters). That's a lot of money, especially for those who remember the good old days when $14.99 (or less via online retailers) got you started in the game.
    1. Randy's Avatar
      Randy -
      Well played Wizkids, well played.... I may be buying this set.
    1. DigitalFirefly's Avatar
      DigitalFirefly -
      Yes! Collectors box!

      Also February = March or April.
    1. Ken's Avatar
      Ken -
      It seems like the increase in starter price might warrant more shelf presence and better, more reusable packaging. For that price, I wish that they merged the starter and collector's products. They are slowly eroding their "budget collectible game" image. With the continuing increases in cash required to keep up, I'm finding myself having to cut back on what I go after. The net result is me spending LESS money per set, not more.
    1. digitallimit's Avatar
      digitallimit -
      Whoa, more D&D! For some reason I'm skeptical of the legs of Dice Masters, but here we are and it's still truckin'. I never really played much using the D&D set unfortunately. But I'll still probably get it. I just love drafting new sets!
    1. Osprey's Avatar
      Osprey -
      Quote Originally Posted by Ken View Post
      It seems like the increase in starter price might warrant more shelf presence and better, more reusable packaging. For that price, I wish that they merged the starter and collector's products. They are slowly eroding their "budget collectible game" image. With the continuing increases in cash required to keep up, I'm finding myself having to cut back on what I go after. The net result is me spending LESS money per set, not more.
      Here comes the deluge of people who think that makes you "entitled, whiny and cheap" but fail to see the bigger picture.

      More on topic, I think that's getting to be a big problem. One of the easiest ways to get new players in my area has been to show them how inexpensive it is to buy and play reasonably well. It's only getting tougher. Hyped for new D&D though, really hoping for another Yugioh set still.
    1. Ken's Avatar
      Ken -
      Quote Originally Posted by Osprey View Post
      Here comes the deluge of people who think that makes you "entitled, whiny and cheap" but fail to see the bigger picture.
      Could be. If so, they've got it wrong. WizKids doesn't owe me anything, and I'm not the kind of person who needs a constant drip of new product to be happy with the game. It's fantastic as-is, and whatever new stuff comes out is just gravy. If they stopped production tomorrow, I'll still happily play the game for years and years to come.

      My statement was meant as a bit of a business warning. I'll elaborate on my pricing thoughts a bit. If WizKids strays away from DM having its "budget friendly" image, they risk alienating those who came to the game for that feature. That's not a particularly deep thought of course. One could argue that raising prices means they'll still make more money anyway, so it doesn't matter much, but that's being a bit short-sighted as to where DM stands in the marketplace. It's still a bit early to tinker with that image.

      Clearly the early success of the game was assisted by the perceived budget friendliness. Maybe it no longer needs that to succeed, but given the reported volume they're selling (with WizKids ordering production of millions of dice at a time), they are doing pretty well making up for smaller margins with volume, and it seems like an unwarranted risk, at least as this juncture, to mess with that and even if it works (increases profits) short-term. That's because it's not established well enough just yet and you're risking the long-term. That is, the game is still new enough, the market is competitive enough, and they've had enough growing pains that they can easily lose the current momentum. You'd think they really should take a long pause when considering something that might alienate subsets of the existing base. They may not realize it, but their grip on them isn't as secure as some think (on average--it certainly varies from player to player).

      Quote Originally Posted by Osprey View Post
      More on topic, I think that's getting to be a big problem. One of the easiest ways to get new players in my area has been to show them how inexpensive it is to buy and play reasonably well. It's only getting tougher. Hyped for new D&D though, really hoping for another Yugioh set still.
      Yeah, I'm stoked to see what they've come up with! DnD was a home run in my book, so I hope to see a strong follow-up.
    1. Ressless's Avatar
      Ressless -
      Quote Originally Posted by pk2317 View Post
      I know, but after D&D they all went up to $19.99. I don't want to see that happen again.
      Come to europe, every starter cost above 20$ ^^

      Cant wait to see what cards the will bring out. D&D was always more interesting than Marvel and DC for me.
    1. Meatman's Avatar
      Meatman -
      I've only played the first D&D set a bit, and only own about 50 csrds or so, but the mechanics of that set just seem so fun, and the quality of the cards and dice is far superior to all other sets...so I am excited to hear about this new set for sure!

      I'm curious if the increased quality will continue with D&D2. I thought that perhaps it was part of the licensing agreement to create a product to a minimum spec level which was higher than thier existing sets. Time will tell I suppose...
    1. vonVile's Avatar
      vonVile -
      Quote Originally Posted by Indy Mon View Post
      D&D was five dollars above base price last time too (allegedly due to increased licensing costs with Wizards). This just continues the trend now that all other starters are at $19.99.
      Adding to this D&D's card stock is also thicker than the standard sets, so we are getting better quality for the price.
    1. DigitalFirefly's Avatar
      DigitalFirefly -
      Quote Originally Posted by vonVile View Post
      Anding to this D&D's card stock is also thicker than the standard sets, so we are getting better quality for the price.
      Assuming they do that again. I really hope they do.
    1. IgwanaRob's Avatar
      IgwanaRob -
      Quote Originally Posted by Ken View Post
      For that price, I wish that they merged the starter and collector's products.
      This is along the line of what some of the people I play with were talking about - they have the products backwards. The big box should be the 2 player set up, with all the characters, cards, and dice. The small box should just be a single player entry level thing - all the variant starter dice, BAC's, and a bag. Enough so that they can grab a handful of boosters and have plenty for less than the cost of the big box, and cheap enough that the alternate colored dice are enough of a lure that some of the people that buy the big box wouldn't mind picking it up.
    1. SlapsterMcFlash's Avatar
      SlapsterMcFlash -
      Very glad I got in on DnD while there was still a ground floor

      Thanks TRP
    1. SethAtreides's Avatar
      SethAtreides -
      I wonder if they'll have a Minsc and Boo style promo card in this set. I hope so. And we need more fiends. Otherwise, Pit Fiend is terrible (maybe not so bad if Sangan from YGO counts as a fiend, but still...
    1. IgwanaRob's Avatar
      IgwanaRob -
      Quote Originally Posted by SethAtreides View Post
      I wonder if they'll have a Minsc and Boo style promo card in this set. I hope so. And we need more fiends. Otherwise, Pit Fiend is terrible (maybe not so bad if Sangan from YGO counts as a fiend, but still...
      I vote it should
    1. Osprey's Avatar
      Osprey -
      Quote Originally Posted by Ken View Post
      Could be. If so, they've got it wrong. WizKids doesn't owe me anything, and I'm not the kind of person who needs a constant drip of new product to be happy with the game. It's fantastic as-is, and whatever new stuff comes out is just gravy. If they stopped production tomorrow, I'll still happily play the game for years and years to come.

      My statement was meant as a bit of a business warning. I'll elaborate on my pricing thoughts a bit. If WizKids strays away from DM having its "budget friendly" image, they risk alienating those who came to the game for that feature. That's not a particularly deep thought of course. One could argue that raising prices means they'll still make more money anyway, so it doesn't matter much, but that's being a bit short-sighted as to where DM stands in the marketplace. It's still a bit early to tinker with that image.

      Clearly the early success of the game was assisted by the perceived budget friendliness. Maybe it no longer needs that to succeed, but given the reported volume they're selling (with WizKids ordering production of millions of dice at a time), they are doing pretty well making up for smaller margins with volume, and it seems like an unwarranted risk, at least as this juncture, to mess with that and even if it works (increases profits) short-term. That's because it's not established well enough just yet and you're risking the long-term. That is, the game is still new enough, the market is competitive enough, and they've had enough growing pains that they can easily lose the current momentum. You'd think they really should take a long pause when considering something that might alienate subsets of the existing base. They may not realize it, but their grip on them isn't as secure as some think (on average--it certainly varies from player to player).



      Yeah, I'm stoked to see what they've come up with! DnD was a home run in my book, so I hope to see a strong follow-up.
      I couldn't agree more. I'm glad to finally see another person who can see why this may be a problem. It's not worth giving up the game just yet, but they are risking burning out a lot of their core playerbase, which I don't think is large enough to survive much of a blow when other, more popular games are around and devouring any smaller startup games like potato chips.